Wow! Thank you for the Twain quote!
Never heard that one before.
to make a pledge of any kind is to declare war against nature;.
for a pledge is a chain that is always clanking and reminding the wearer of it.
that he is not a free man.. .
Wow! Thank you for the Twain quote!
Never heard that one before.
no doubt everyone has been following the juan viejo postings regarding the watchtower kingdom hall "grab" on jwn for the last couple of years.
called the mrs and me to say "wow- you have to google this" we did...came here to jwn ...became members..and the rest is history.. in the last nine months i have been calling and emailing contacts in the silicon valley for verification on the societies theft and forced sale of the menlo park kingdom hall (near the new facebook heaquarters) because the story seemed...a little far fetched.
every reliable contact i made has confirmed what juan reported.
"You may take this as ironic but we are telling you we are not interested"
Irony acknowledged!
Interesting "experience" FRANKIESPEAKIN.
jehovah's help break free.. "greedy people".
but the desire to have more money, power and.
helped student.
Thanls for the preview OWNACCORD!
the lawyers acting on behalf of the wtbts/g.b./'mother' during a paedophile case a couple of years ago, have stated on record that - .
a) "field ministry is not controlled or monitored by the elders, the congregation, or watchtower".
b) "an individual publisher's field ministry activity, including the time and manner it is carried out, is a personal matter between the publisher and his god.".
This is great.
of what relevance is a written biblical record about how animals were killed, dissected, burned, etc?.
why splash blood on the ears of a priest etc?.
why oh why does the god of exodus like having animals killed, just so he can have some smoke smell rise to heaven?.
So my wife and I (this was a couple years ago) were watching one of the Michael Palin travel shows and wherever he was, the people do an animal sacrifice. They didn't show everything explicitly, but you do certainly get the point: it is a particulaly brutal act.
My wife recoiled in horror. How awful!
But, I said, How often were sacrifices made in EXACTLY THAT SAME MANNER to Jehovah by the Israelites? A loving god really wants that?!
i personally believe moses was largely or entirely mythical.
is because much of his biography, if not most of it, is tied to events.
that never happened, meaning that a historical moses could not .
Check out Robert M Price's two podcasts: The Human Bible and The Bible Geek.
To be honest, the Study Edition of the Watchtower is 32 pages.
i haven't been on here long but i found this site a couple days ago and quickly realised it had a lot of posts by people going through similar experiences as me.
i read some of the answers and it helped relieve some inner anguish i've been carrying since everything i came clean to my parents about everything i've been reading about.. .
i just have been going through a rough patch right now; that might be an under or overstatement depending on your own personal experiences with this kind of stuff.
SPECTRE - was it "the Power of Myth" with Bill Moyers?
I remember watching that as an indoctrinated teen and thinking, Hmmmmmm. . . . . . . ..
i just ordered this book.
(ok... it's not linking, it's called "i'm perfect, you're doomed: tales from a jehovah's witness upbringing" by kyria abrahams).
i came across it when trying to explain to a coworker about the end of the world images that would be in watchtowers when i was growing up and why they gave me horrible nightmares.
I have heard of this book and, in fact, my local library has it!
Will have to check it out this summer.
Looks interesting.
Happy reading,
BOC
i haven't been on here long but i found this site a couple days ago and quickly realised it had a lot of posts by people going through similar experiences as me.
i read some of the answers and it helped relieve some inner anguish i've been carrying since everything i came clean to my parents about everything i've been reading about.. .
i just have been going through a rough patch right now; that might be an under or overstatement depending on your own personal experiences with this kind of stuff.
Welcome! An amazing story.
Be glad you've figured this out while you're young and have the rest of your life before you. A LOT of folks on this board spent half their lives trying to put a finger on what seemed "not quite right" with the religion they were raised in.
I had the same feelings of guilt and betrayal, but they will pass when you realize you've been manipulated by this cult - and by extension, your parents - to feel that way. No better way to control people (fear works pretty well too).
Don't give up! And go to college!